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Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:13 PM
Hello all.

For a few years I've been in discussions with Classic American Magazine.

http://www.classic-american.com/

This is the biggest magazine of it's kind in the UK and has a big readership throughout Europe.

Two week's ago a photoshoot with Clive's car and mine was made at near Clive's for a forthcoming Christine feature to mark the 30th Anniversary.

They are rushing this article through quickly, I spent over two hours this morning talking to a freelance journalist whom has been charged with writing the article, it should appear in the magazine this year to coincide with the 30th Anniversary.

This guy has wrote Christine features for other magazine's in the past and as a Christine fan was quite knowledgeable.

I told him of Bill's and Martin's cars and some of the story of Martin's trip to Bill and Ed's, I also mentioned Coach's story.

My car will be the car that's used in the feature (it's a UK magazine after all) but we should all get good exposure and I dropped many names into our conversation.

This guy was aware of Aaron's Bill and Ed's story too.

Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:18 PM
Firstly here's some photo's he sent me that I hadn't seen before, the Mark 2 Cortina takes a dive.

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Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:21 PM
Is this from an cut scene?

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Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:22 PM
I think I've seen this one before.

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Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:25 PM
Here's where I need your help.


Mike... the journalist, will use information from a previous article he wrote.


I'll write it in the next post.




I need your comments, please edit as required or the wrong facts might be printed, I wouldn't want to see anyone offended.



Thanks guys, here follows the information he sent me:

Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:30 PM
CARS THE STAR – CHRISTINE

Ask any American car fan what’s wrong with the movie /Christine/ (1983) and at some point you’ll hear; “The 1958 Plymouth Fury was never available in red.”

Quite right, when Stephen King wrote the book /Christine/ that was turned into a screenplay he wrote the lead star Plymouth as a four door Fury - also not available in 1958 - that was custom painted by her first owner.
But, and this may surprise you, nowhere in the film is Christine actually referred to as a Fury.
When the movie begins we see Christine on a 1957 Detroit assembly line surrounded by other 1958 Plymouths that appear to all be painted Buckskin Beige - the only colour you could officially buy a Fury in at the time.
But although she has the Fury 150mph speedometer, Christine lacks Fury badging and the gold anodised trim.
Under the bonnet there’s a 350ci Golden Commando dual carb engine as often fitted to the Fury, but that was also an option on Belvederes, and you /could/ buy a Belvedere in red and white.


The story’s straightforward; Arnie a bullied teenager, falls in love with the wreck of a 1958 Plymouth and begins restoring the car.
When the bullies wreck the car Christine regenerates back into mint condition and goes on a murderous rampage reeking revenge on anyone coming between her and Arnie.

When the production began Universal didn’t scour America for rare and valuable Furies to destroy, in fact it’s thought only one or two genuine Furies were used for the film - one of those a 1957 model.
The majority of the 1957 and 1958 Plymouths used were Belvedere or Savoy Sport Coupes - bodily almost identical except for trim.
Opinions vary greatly on how many cars were used, many sources suggest 12 or 17, Transportation and ‘Christine’ Coordinator Eddie Lee Voelker, and Special Effects Supervisor Roy Arbogast say 23 cars, producer Richard Kobritz says 24.

A further source suggests 16 cars were used for filming and a further seven purely for parts - we’ll probably never know for sure.
It took the production crew over two years to track down cars through newspaper adverts, junkyard searches and the California Dept. of Motor Vehicles.

Car fans are forever complaining about the amount of cars that were wrecked during filming but the crew generally bought only the roughest examples, there are instances of them refusing a Plymouth because it was too good to destroy.
Plymouths of the era had poor corrosion protection so the typically rusty panels and rotted out floors were replaced, dents repaired and rubber moulds made of the Sportone side trim, badges and hubcaps to allow the cars used to be turned into Christines. The Plymouths were all painted 1980/81 Chevrolet Camaro Red with a white roof.

Textured aluminium was used for side trim pieces, grilles were sprayed silver and 1/4 inch chrome tape made everything shine. Restoration on the cheap!

Although the Plymouths got quite a beating in the film a lot of parts were reused, if you see Christine hit on her driver’s side chances are later that same car also took a hit on the passenger side too, the cars were also cut’n’shut to put a good front or rear onto a damaged car.

At night Christine’s glass becomes darkened, in many cases this was made from dark or opaque perspex, some cars simply had their glass painted gloss black on the inside.

A narrow slit was left in the screen and covered with light black tinted film so the stuntman had a vague idea where they were headed even though there was no side or rear vision.

The car used in the ‘show me’ scenes where Christine regenerates was a bare 1958 shell with all external panels and trim entirely made from moulded rubber.

A large air pump was sealed in the empty interior and the air slowly sucked out. When the film was played backwards Christine’s crushed bodywork straightened out and became dent free.

Chrysler full size cars had very effective torsion bar suspension but anyone who’s driven one may wonder just how the various Christines managed to corner and slide so well during the chase scenes, the answer being that the rear axles were chained down to the frame to minimise bodyroll.

The Christine that destroys high school bully Buddy Repperton’s Camaro just prior to the gas station explosion had large blocks of wood and an X member installed in the engine bay to prevent the whole front end from crumpling, and her radiator mounted in the boot to avoid damage.

The most dramatic scenes are when Christine, engulfed in flames, chases Buddy into the night. Stunt Coordinator Terry Leonard was wrapped in a thermal suit used for fighting aircraft fires and strapped into a stripped out Plymouth covered in rubber glue which was then set alight. As soon as he backed out the car stalled. On take two Leonard managed to pilot the car across the gas station forecourt largely unable to see where he was going due to the darkened glass - and a bonnet covered in flames.

One thing quickly became apparent - fire rapidly burns up oxygen. It was hard to keep the engine running and difficult to breath even with a mask and suit.
The stunt wasn’t repeated...

Although Christine is the undoubted star Arnie’s friend Dennis drives a nice blue 1968 Dodge Charger base model 440. Supposedly two Chargers were used; a four speed manual and a three speed auto (on the auto the rearview mirror is always mounted upside down).

It’s rumoured one still exists and the other was destroyed in a garage fire. Legend has it they were sourced from /The Dukes of Hazzard/ because they had plenty to hire out... Buddy has a 1967 Chevrolet Camaro Super Sport with Z28 stripes and Western Cyclone Turbine wheels, two were used, one cut in half lengthways to achieve a camera shot, the other destroyed in the gas station fire - although it’s obvious the engine was removed first.

After filming was complete every remaining piece of incomplete Christine Plymouth was sold to Bill and Ed's Auto Wrecking in Fontana, California and several Plymouth owners bought large numbers of parts from the yard including rubber moulds for trim and hubcaps.

Visitors to the site counted ten Christines in wrecked condition.

It is known that two cars used for close up work - known on set as ‘Pristine Christines’ - did survive and were extremely well cared for.

One was given away in a competition, the other was supposedly kept by director John Carpenter.

The stunt car used in the Moochie chase scene also survives, it was the only manual gearbox car used and had a powerful race engine installed.

A fourth was retained on a backlot for use in the film /Cat’s Eye/ (1984) but later sold when a different ‘58 Plymouth was found.

It has since been restored to on-screen condition. Other promotional cars were created including one for the UK to advertise the RCA/Columbia video release of Christine in 1987.

It’s probably safe to say that at least four ‘58 Plymouths can lay claim to being survivors from the film.


The movie had its faults but whilst cars were destroyed, the popularity of /Christine/ means a great deal of 1957 and 1958 Plymouths have been saved and restored - probably 99 per cent of them repainted in red, with a white roof!

//ends//

Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:30 PM
more:





Did you know?
The license plate of Christine reads begins with ‘CQB’, supposedly an acronym for "Close Quarters Battle".

The small wheels that are visible under the MkII Cortina that Christine crashes into during the showdown at Darnell's is not necessary a mistake as the Cortina was intended to represent a vehicle that won't run placed on a dolly to allow it to be moved around with ease.

The Twilight Zone, season 5 episode 14, titled /You Drive/ may be where Stephen King got the inspiration to write /Christine/. A 1956 Ford begins driving itself to convince its owner to admit to a hit and run accident. The possible origin of the killer car's name could possibly be from another film entitled /Christine/ made in 1958.

Because the film didn't have enough violence to justify an R rating and there was fear that no one would watch a PG rated horror, a lot of swearing was added to the script. At the time only /Scarface/ (1983) contained more obscenities than /Christine/.

Christine, or her likeness, has appeared in several other films and shows including /Futurama/ and she makes an appearance in Stephen King’s 1986 book ‘It’.

The building used for Darnell’s garage was a 1/4 mile long disused wire production warehouse in Sun Valley, Los Angeles. Later half of it became the garage and the other half a repair and rebuild area for the part wrecked Christines. An old furniture warehouse was initially used for the Detroit production line in the opening scenes.

Rudolph Junkins, the decective investigating the murders Christine has done, drives a blue 1977 Plymouth Fury.

The red and white 1958 Plymouth Belvedere used in /Cat’s Eye/ (1984) has a small bumper sticker reading ‘I Am Christine’.

The scenes where Christine is destroyed by the bullies used a quite decent car, it proved harder to destroy than expected and all the actors involved got minor injuries from sharp metal and flying glass.

John Stockwell, who played Dennis, enjoyed being taught how to drive the bulldozer and became quite proficient at it by the end.

Visitors to the film set were amused that Christine was always referred to on set by name or as ‘she’ or ‘her’, never ‘it’ or ‘the Plymouth’, because there was a genuine desire to make the car seem alive and real.

The film was based on the 700 page story manuscript because King’s book hadn’t then been released. The film was massively boosted when, before filming was completed, the book became the number one bestseller.

Scott Baio and Brooke Shields were put forward by the studio as lead actors, Kevin Bacon accepted but had to later turn it down. Producer Richard Kobritz was convinced he should use young unknown actors because “always the car was the star”.

As well as liking the name ‘Fury’ Stephen King choose the 1958 Plymouth because it was ‘never oversold. It was the only car no one ever wrote about, it had no cult following, it was this kitsch, chromed ugly thing that no one cared about’. It’s rumoured one of King’s first cars was a ‘59 Plymouth.

Doobster
05-16-2013, 03:33 PM
Thanks for any help guys, I know many of the facts and can see some that are wrong.


I can't print any of the photos until the article is printed.

I'm not sure if Clive's and my car's will feature together in an article, if not I'll push the editor to do a feature on Clive's car itself.



Thanks for any help.



Lee.

DakotaFury
05-16-2013, 04:05 PM
Awesome. Wish we could buy a copy of the magazine here in the USA.

Doobster
05-16-2013, 06:38 PM
I'll ask the editor how it can be obtained Bill.

It's a great magazine, not just fifties cars, everything from Model Ts to the latest SUV road tests etc.

Rebels-59
05-16-2013, 06:52 PM
You can Subscribe from Anywhere in the World,

Check this Link. http://www.classicmagazines.co.uk/subscription/CA You can use the Drop Column for Rest of the World and Europe..

Website is here http://www.classic-american.com/ as Lee posted above..

Rebels-59
05-16-2013, 06:57 PM
It is known that two cars used for close up work - known on set as ‘Pristine Christines’ - did survive and were extremely well cared for.

One was given away in a competition, the other was supposedly kept by director John Carpenter.



You need to double check with Bill,
But i am sure Bill has confirmed he asked John Carpenter Personally if he Owned one of the Movie Christines and he said NO,,

billy whizz
05-16-2013, 07:04 PM
Beat you into print there Lee.....check out last months start letter.....from your's truly!!!

Doobster
05-16-2013, 09:48 PM
.... not quite Geoff.... my cars was pictured there whilst in flames a few years ago :D

I'll take a look.



Clive... not sure about the competition car but John Carpenter said on the latest DVD release commentary, that he was offered one and turned it down.

I think he said to Gordon on that DVD, "why would I want one of them? " or something similar.

Movie Stunt Car
05-17-2013, 02:04 AM
I just day this, good stuff. The car with the 3 speed is mine the #2 Moochie car, same one that was going to be for catseye the engine was a dual quad Fury

CQB-241
05-17-2013, 12:44 PM
Certain to stir controversy.....



The Plymouths were all painted 1980/81 Chevrolet Camaro Red with a white roof.

We know the colour (aka color) source is debatable. The popular myth is 1983 GM Spectra red but that is wrong too.



Textured aluminium was used for side trim pieces, grilles were sprayed silver and 1/4 inch chrome tape made everything shine. Restoration on the cheap!

DVD talks about avg of US$10K per car......while done for uniformity and speed of turnover this isn't necessarily "cheap" in 1982/3



A large air pump was sealed in the empty interior and the air slowly sucked out. When the film was played backwards Christine’s crushed bodywork straightened out and became dent free.

DVD talks of hydraulics being used also (reversal of film with hydraulic rams) which seems more believable based on the vision. What is correct here?



It is known that two cars used for close up work - known on set as ‘Pristine Christines’ - did survive and were extremely well cared for.

One was given away in a competition, the other was supposedly kept by director John Carpenter.

My understanding is the Barrett-Jackson car (given away in competition: posted on MC page and ICC page) was a promotional rather than a film car and that Carpenter did not keep a car.



The stunt car used in the Moochie chase scene also survives, it was the only manual gearbox car used and had a powerful race engine installed.

A fourth was retained on a backlot for use in the film /Cat’s Eye/ (1984) but later sold when a different ‘58 Plymouth was found.

Weren't these the same car (Martin's)?



Other promotional cars were created including one for the UK to advertise the RCA/Columbia video release of Christine in 1987.

I gather that car came to USA (while perversely the USA competition car went to UK after BJ auction). Anyone know fate of UK promotional car?



It’s probably safe to say that at least four ‘58 Plymouths can lay claim to being survivors from the film.

From above there are 2 film-used stunt cars, a promotional car in USA (was it actually film used??) which has gone to UK and vanished and the UK promotional car which likely saw no film use and has gone to USA (and also vanished). Any raises on this? All the talk of "XXX-cars" etc is really invalid when owners won't come forward. The provinence in these cars is proving they were film used, no preparedness to be public with car means no provinence IMO. Thoughts?

CQB-241
05-17-2013, 12:52 PM
... not sure about the competition car but John Carpenter said on the latest DVD release commentary, that he was offered one and turned it down. I think he said to Gordon on that DVD, "why would I want one of them? " or something similar.

Just saw this after the long dissection on your earlier post. That supports one of my points.



I just day this, good stuff. The car with the 3 speed is mine the #2 Moochie car, same one that was going to be for catseye the engine was a dual quad Fury

Saw this after my long look at Doob's post, great to see another of my belief's vindicated by someone who really knows. Any more light on the other points Martin?
Are there other cars surviving filmed cars bar yours and Bill's? I know you are loathe to rain on anyone's parade (have always admired your restraint on this topic) so appreciate you may not wish to comment on specific cars claiming provinence (like XXXX's, etc.......).

Doobster
05-17-2013, 10:33 PM
Thanks guys.

This journalist just wants to get his facts right, he won't risk printing any libel either.

Cheers!

Lee.

59CaddyHog
05-18-2013, 09:02 PM
Well done Doob!! Looking forward to seeing that mate.

I have bought every single copy of CA since number one and apart from a Red 58 Belvedere Convertible, the ol' 57/58 hasn't really had a good feature on it yet.

I got the 1st edition in '89 as a bit of a coincidence cuz I had just bought my DeSoto.

Doobster
05-18-2013, 10:36 PM
There was "Green Mean Christine" quite a few year ago mate.

I think that was a green 57 Savoy with 58 trim if I remember correctly.

Movie Stunt Car
05-19-2013, 07:11 AM
I was in Vegas doing the show, pics on FB starting to hit FB. Malcolm rode shotgun in the police escort parade thru Vegas. It was awesome. Carpenter doesn't have a car. Promo car was used in a couple closeups but went off for photo shoots, poster, promo, commercial, had correct interior & dummy door locks too

Christine Movie Car
05-19-2013, 04:25 PM
Looks like You and Malcolm had a blast in Vegas Martin !!! :0) Greg really appreciated the interaction on his Birthday !!! Congrats Lee on the article !!! When is the final date that changes can be made ?? Please let us know how we can obtain a copy when it is published. Confirming the above that John Carpenter did not receive a car after filming. Martin and I put together that thread concerning both of our cars concerning their past. He had the opportunity to purchase mine at the same time he got his. of course he took the nicer of the two, I would have jumped on the running one also !! :0) As for the number of cars used, details on certain scenes, special effects, etc. As he stated will vary depending on whom you speak to. But they are all pretty close. He did a great job !! So glad to the Film getting celebrated internationally for the 30th anniversary !!! AWESOME !!! :0)

Doobster
05-20-2013, 02:35 AM
Thanks Bill.

I've forwarded your email address to the author (Mike) and copied you into the email.

His boss wantsthe article ready before June 1st so it must be out pretty soon.


Classic American isn't seen on every grocery store magazine in the UK.

I'll have to find out where I can buy it (I subscribe) and grab a few copies.


Cheers!

Lee.

Doobster
05-21-2013, 01:46 AM
Thanks Martin too and Brett for the comments.

I'll give this guy the new information.

Doobster
05-22-2013, 09:13 PM
Can you give me your thoughts on these new question please guys:





Looking through my notes we spoke about the film Christines having a different front seat to standard cars - some type of cutout section I think...? Could you give me more detail on that please?

Do you happen to know what engines the cars in the film used, I've mentioned yours has a 318 but presumably some of those in the film must also have used them with just the Pristine Christine/s having the chromed up 350ci.

Did we decide at all what colour the film Christines were? Your's is '83 Camaro Spectra Red - did you know there were apparently two Spectra Reds that year? Code 70 and code 75...
I keep finding references to the paint used in the movie being DuPont Hot Hues Scarlett Fever - ever heard that mentioned?




Thanks all.


Lee.

billy whizz
05-23-2013, 06:50 AM
Never heard the Du Pont roumour before.....

Cut out in the seat???

Doobster
05-23-2013, 05:27 PM
I think I've answered the first question about the Fury Seat cut out for the journalist.


But guys, was the seat cut out on the front AND rear of Fury's only.





Geoff... $$$$$$ cut and welded my existing seats to give them the Dip as seen on Christine.

He was governed by how the covers have been cut so the dip isn't as deep as they would be on a real Fury.



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CQB-241
05-23-2013, 05:30 PM
Looking through my notes we spoke about the film Christines having a different front seat to standard cars - some type of cutout section I think...? Could you give me more detail on that please?
The Fury front and rear bench seats have a dip in the middle of the back.



Do you happen to know what engines the cars in the film used, I've mentioned yours has a 318 but presumably some of those in the film must also have used them with just the Pristine Christine/s having the chromed up 350ci.
I gather there was only 1 "Show me" engine. I gather the rest ran a variety of 318's, 301's and there was even a 325. Martin would know the answer to this one, he went to Bill and Ed's.


Did we decide at all what colour the film Christines were? Your's is '83 Camaro Spectra Red - did you know there were apparently two Spectra Reds that year? Code 70 and code 75...

I keep finding references to the paint used in the movie being DuPont Hot Hues Scarlett Fever - ever heard that mentioned?
You know who has custom matched the correct colour (aka color) and for which car Lee..........
I have PMd you the discussion link.
After the usual argy-bargy there is no further discussion after the last post on the link. That is enough for me.

Movie Stunt Car
05-24-2013, 12:35 AM
Some Christines were fitted with 325 engines and 383
I know the painter who painted them back in the day. It was One Day Paint and Body and it was a Camaro red single stage. There are probably other names but that's what they carried at the time and it was cheap. Also not all the cars, in fact, most were not set up with nice interiors. Stunt cars were gutted so that roll cages and bracing could be installed as well as plates under your rear end in case something broke it would not go thru the floor and hurt the driver

Doobster
05-24-2013, 01:35 AM
Thanks Brett and Martin!

I appreciate that guys, I'll forward those comments on this thread to the magazine.

AudioMobil
05-24-2013, 09:41 AM
Some Christines were fitted with 325 engines and 383
I know the painter who painted them back in the day. It was One Day Paint and Body and it was a Camaro red single stage. There are probably other names but that's what they carried at the time and it was cheap. Also not all the cars, in fact, most were not set up with nice interiors. Stunt cars were gutted so that roll cages and bracing could be installed as well as plates under your rear end in case something broke it would not go thru the floor and hurt the driver

Of course there are many well known facts about the movie but it's always amazing to learn new details.

Thanks Martin for sharing these memories! :D

Movie Stunt Car
05-24-2013, 05:51 PM
I'm glad Christine is getting the attention she is after so many years. Check out her Face Book page, lots of Vegas pictures!!!