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    ChrisFBartlett 4-door 58 Belvedere

    It's a 1958, Toreador Red, four door Belvedere. All original. And she arrives to me, at her new home in Los Angeles, next week.

    I had been scouring Craigslists across the country for months when this one popped up, I immediately flew up to see her. She came from a family who's grandfather died in 2003. She was his car and he only drove it on the weekends - kept it garaged otherwise. They didn't say how he died. One day in 1990, with the onset of dementia, he simply pulled the car into the garage and covered it for the last time. It hasn't been started since. Over the years, the garage filled to the brim with stuff and recently the family cleaned out the garage. They worked for 2 hours before they got to whatever was under the cover. They had no idea he still had it!

    So she hasn't been started in 29 years (1990). I'll post a video when I bring her back to life.

    I've got the replacement side trim, and have ordered new whitewalls, and an original radio. Can't wait!












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    What a nice find and the story to boot. Good luck with it Chris.
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    Nice find...she's beautiful! :)

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    Great looking car! Red, Deluxe steering wheel, nice interior, P.S., and a Poly 318! iW@W! Marc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Belvedere View Post
    Great looking car! Red, Deluxe steering wheel, nice interior, P.S., and a Poly 318! iW@W! Marc.
    Yes! I'm thankful I found this one!

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    I found a nice, shiny replacement radio. I'll hit it with some tin foil and water to remove the tiny pits (works great for bumpers too!)


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    Nice!!

    How long til she's on the road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big m View Post
    Nice!!

    How long til she's on the road?

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    She arrives tomorrow after a 16 year sleep in a cozy, California garage. I'm hoping to have her on the road this weekend.
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    Great find mate. Has she had new paint at some time.
    Build it yourself, then at least you know it will be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzySteve View Post
    Great find mate. Has she had new paint at some time.
    I don't think so, but here's a photo of the car with the previous owner in the late 1970's. Same original color. He always kept it garaged.

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    Wow another original paint red /white. We own most likely the only two on the planet
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzySteve View Post
    Wow another original paint red /white. We own most likely the only two on the planet
    I'm confused. Wasn't Toreador Red (DQE-70773-DAL) a Plymouth Color for Belvederes for 1958? Or was there a limited red/white combo?


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    It was mate, toreador red and white was a standard colour

    The point I'm making is two fold, 1, red and white is common because of Christine and 2, our cars are original and not painted because of Christine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzySteve View Post
    It was mate, toreador red and white was a standard colour

    The point I'm making is two fold, 1, red and white is common because of Christine and 2, our cars are original and not painted because of Christine.
    Ahh, I see what you mean. Yes, in my search I never found an original red one. They were usually primer or rust!

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    Just arrived!!! Now to get her started...



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    Question: How do you start a push button car with no “Park” I’ve installed a new battery and new solenoid. Dash lights come on, but no ignition, just silence...

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    Neutral Button has to be pushed in ( Car in Neutral) ,, If any other button is pressed in, then the Neutral switch on gearbox isnt activated and you wont get the Engine to turn over on the key

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebels-59 View Post
    Neutral Button has to be pushed in ( Car in Neutral) ,, If any other button is pressed in, then the Neutral switch on gearbox isnt activated and you wont get the Engine to turn over on the key
    OK, thank you. Still no start. Maybe it's a relay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisFBartlett View Post
    OK, thank you. Still no start. Maybe it's a relay?
    Could be a few things,,

    1.. Starter Motor
    2.. Bad Ignition Switch
    3.. Broken Engine Earth
    4.. Neutral Switch

    1st Check to see the Engine has a good earth connection between Battery and Engine
    Then with the Car in Neutral, If you arc a Screwdriver between the 2 large leads on the solenoid The engine should turn over, If it doesnt then the lead from solenoid.to Starter needs to be checked, if that is OK then its the Starter,
    IF the starter spins the engine over, Then check the wires on the back of ignition switch ,

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    Thank you, Rebels. I’ll investigate and report back!

    Another newbie question: What does this pedal do?

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